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Life's Curveballs: Finding a Way Out of Drug & Alcohol Addiction

• Teresa Baglietto • Season 1 • Episode 5

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In this episode, old friends reunite as the host catches up with Amorette, a childhood best friend. They reflect on the deep connection that has kept their friendship strong despite life's challenges, including battling breast cancer and enduring difficult divorces. The episode delves into Amorette's courageous journey through drug and alcohol addiction, exploring her background, the lowest points of her struggle, and the inspiring steps she took to overcome her addictions. Amorette talks candidly about living with addiction, her attempts at recovery, and how she ultimately succeeded in transforming her life. Their conversation provides a raw and insightful look at the complexities of addiction and the importance of making proactive choices for recovery. This episode is a testament to resilience, friendship, and the power of personal transformation.

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Hi, happy Monday. This episode is going to feel like catching up with an old friend. Because it is. I'm so excited to introduce you to my friend, Amaret. She and I have known each other since we were in elementary school. Complete besties. We were Charlie Brown obsessed. I was Woodstock and she was Snoopy. And honestly, those nicknames stuck with us for years. You know those friendships that just click. That was us. We were completely inseparable. We did everything together. Well, life as it often does takes us in different paths. As we grew up, we both moved around a lot, living in different states, but somehow we always managed to stay connected. And it's funny how life works, right? Even when you're not talking to your friend on a daily basis, your lives can seem like you've never skipped a beat. And our lives were parallel to each other in some wild ways. We both navigated the choppy waters of breast cancer. We trudged through some very difficult divorces. We said goodbye to both of our parents and of course faced our fair share of bumps along the way. But Amarette's journey, like so many of ours, has had its own unique twists and turns. And today we're going to dive into a part of her story that takes a lot of courage to share. Drug and alcohol addiction is a complex and deeply challenging situation. I know that it can affect individuals of all On multiple levels, both physically, psychologically, socially, emotionally. It's hard to watch a loved one go through that. She woke up one day grabbed ahold of the reins and decided to change her life. She chose to kick a habit that had become a daily part of her existence. Today we're going to get a glimpse into what Amarette's life was like during her addiction and more importantly, how she overcame it.

Teresa:

Hi, Amarette, it is so wonderful to have you here today.

Amorette:

Hi, really good to be here. Thank you for having me.

Teresa:

Absolutely. Isn't it amazing how life brings us back together after all these years?

Amorette:

I can't believe it I was doing the math I guess we met like seven years old I mean, we've known one another for

Teresa:

Right. We won't put the age out there. It's been forever.

Amorette:

Forever

Teresa:

we're going to be talking about your journey through addiction and the courage you found to turn it around. Can you talk about what your life was like before addiction

Amorette:

It seems like an element of addiction was swirling around me from the day I was born. There's a history of addiction in my family. My grandparents and my mom it's that generational curse. I didn't really know what it was. I knew that there were some, family issues

Teresa:

Okay. Okay. Okay. for joining us today. We hope you have a great day. And we'll see you next time. Bye bye.

Amorette:

was in, a deep path of what she was going through. I'd always been this great kid, for the most part. And you knew me back then, which is so funny that we're having this conversation.

Teresa:

Yeah.

Amorette:

Always excelled in school and, love my animals and participated and did all of those things. I'm the youngest, and was kind of left to my own devices. I remember, I found my mom had blackberry brandy of all things. and I found it and I remember, in that moment, I'm just going to drink it. And I did, and it changed a chip inside of me and opened a door,, of major escapism, of course. And so that, you know, then you're drinking,

Teresa:

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Amorette:

what was life like before addiction? I don't really have an answer because I didn't really know life

Teresa:

What was your form of escape?

Amorette:

I went through different cycles. I would say the one that was with me the longest and the hardest for me to overcome and the most difficult to acknowledge one that I wanted to keep near and dear to me. Was alcohol. I had a raging cocaine addiction when I was in my late teens, 18, 19, through a series of surgeries and things like that. I developed a raging painkiller addiction. And even before that, when I was at the height of my professional career, I developed a raging addiction to Xanax.

Teresa:

So I'm going to go ahead and start the video, and I'm going to show you how to do it. So I'm going to go ahead and start the video, and I'm going to show you how to do it. That's the most accessible one, right?

Amorette:

Yeah I say that the biggest addiction was alcohol. I suppose the biggest addiction really was getting out of myself. Fundamentally, it was escaping, the central being of who I am, that was appealing to me, I guess on certain levels of,,

Teresa:

So uh, I'm kind of trying to figure out what's going on. Um, I thought I'd uh, talk to you about some of the things that we're doing here at the Center for the Art of Arts and Sciences. Um, I thought I'd give you a little bit of a twist on some of the things that we've been doing here at the Center for the Arts and Sciences. You

Amorette:

and, I leaned into that for a very long time.

Teresa:

Yeah, if you dove into,, the blackberry alcohol at such a young age and discovered that it numbed all of these thoughts that you were trying to escape from, I could see where that becomes really appealing, because. That stuff's no longer in your brain. You're now relaxed. I would imagine the craving for an escape like alcohol or drugs Only increased over time.

Amorette:

Yeah, absolutely. I had, really great success at a relatively young age and kind of hit that In that respect, I was a quick. Study, but in other respects, I'm a late bloomer the internal growth, because it wasn't like a lot of coping mechanisms were taught You just figured it out and, Without understanding or learning certain ways or healthy ways of coping. It wasn't until the past 18 months, I'm learning handle things more, you know, in a more healthy way.

Teresa:

We were in our twenties when we got together after elementary school. You and I were let's have a good time. Life is fantastic because we're all in this space of F U N, right? So I couldn't see that there was a problem when we got together because what you were doing match what I was doing. I had a different reason, which was, Hey, let's have fun. And you're like, I want to numb everything that's going on in my life because this is an amazing feeling for me.

Amorette:

yeah, exactly. It was certainly the fun quotients of, course. But there were other, deeper layers that I didn't even realize at the time.

Teresa:

What do you think some of your lowest points were during your addiction?

Amorette:

oh gosh, so many, I think most recently, just dealing with the most recent, when I, was, Diagnosed with my 1st cancer. I was actively using throughout that 1st diagnosis while I was going through chemo while I was going through radiation

Teresa:

Okay.

Amorette:

so shocking when you're, going through these things that are really intense and I didn't have the emotional capacity to reach out to friends and family. I was always like, I got this, don't worry about me. So it was a very lonely journey that I chose to take. I was actively using through both of my diagnosis. The 2nd 1 and I had all the surgeries and, had pain medication. Then I had a major back issue and that required 2 surgeries I'd gotten so deep into the painkillers, that essentially I wouldn't even recognize myself thinking back on that person, but ultimately really lost everything, lost relationships, lost any kind of, working thing had a beautiful home in L. A. Had a beautiful home in Palm Springs. I basically lost them both. I, you know, foreclosed or anything like that. Essentially just had to start completely over. And moved back to Texas where I swear I'd never go back. And.

Teresa:

Where it all started,

Amorette:

started. Gone was the elite status within an industry that I'd worked so hard to have gone were the expensive and, sexy embellishments in terms of home and all of that stuff. And I been stripped down to nothing, but I still had my raging addiction. And that was the, lowest points

Teresa:

You were wildly successful. I remember you hit your stride and success long before I did, and I was always so impressed and proud. I didn't realize there was an addiction problem I think the second time we got together was when we were both going through some really shitty divorces. We were in San Francisco and I remember this vividly. We leaned into our dear buddy,

Amorette:

Yeah. Yeah.

Teresa:

and saw those specifically. And, again, we were doing this together and it seemed to me that, Hey, we're going through crappy divorces. It's really hard and this is our way to cope and it's temporary We went to a restaurant together in LA and we both had couple of drinks but it wasn't till we got in the car and you were driving that I was Scared shitless cuz I was like, what the fuck? How is she so

Amorette:

hmm. Mm

Teresa:

up

Amorette:

hmm.

Teresa:

drank the same amount of booze And you're taller than I am. I just couldn't figure that one out. I might've said, you need to slow down. You're scaring me. For you it was Hey, this is all good. Nothing's going to happen. Don't worry about it. And it wasn't until we got back to your home that I realized, there's something else going on. I just couldn't figure it out.

Amorette:

yeah. God, I'm so sorry for that. I would imagine, I was in the middle of the full on pill addiction and you stack all that stuff up and you're not even, the person who you really are you just described that experience and I am certain there's probably another hundred just like it that, stack up over time I knew there was a point where, things had gone totally off the reservation knew I had a problem, big problem. How do you, get out of it? The physical withdrawal from those drugs is, awful. I'd been to rehab twice, it was a combination of, alcohol and benzodiazepines. Xanax basically, had to be medically taken off that cause that'll kill you. I had another stent in rehab and it was a similar thing. There's a whole backstory of what the hell happened with the second rehab. But, um, time, you know, I was like, well, two things. I couldn't afford to go to rehab I'd lost everything. You know, how do I stop, the taper theory that's not going to happen for me. So I went cold Turkey and it's been almost five years now off of opiates.

Teresa:

Okay.

Amorette:

In Texas, when I'd moved there I sealed myself up and when I say the amount of drugs that I was taking was astronomical, I mean, 500 pills a month, plus, plus,

Teresa:

Wow.

Amorette:

It was, monster amounts and, spending every bit of money that I had in getting those pills and all prescribed so I had a massive tolerance and a massive addiction but got through it and to say sick doesn't even scratch the surface, Um, but I also knew or thought, you know what, I've

Teresa:

Um,

Amorette:

to feel this pain and experience this because will make it so horrific about the thought of ever going back and,

Teresa:

Right. Bye.

Amorette:

but came out on the other side. And it took me a long time to rewire my brain. I took a break from alcohol, about a

Teresa:

Is that

Amorette:

There's no version for me of one and done. There's no version of casually drinking. I've tried everything I've tried. Well, I'll have beer and wine, no hard alcohol or all the tricks that we play for me, it's. One drink becomes an absolute obsession I stopped fooling myself. I've been sober now from alcohol. It's going on on 9 months. I had 3 years of not drinking. But I never. Acknowledged, the depth of the problem that I had, because I always wanted to kind of give myself a, you know, an exit a backdoor exit,

Teresa:

Yeah,

Amorette:

you know, so, I never really went very public with it because. And going public with it, you're speaking truth to it, and you've got a different set of accountability.

Teresa:

Right

Amorette:

I don't participate in AA, meaning I don't go to meetings and things. It's not a, a knock on that, at all. But I don't personally. I do use a community app and a platform that keeps me, accountable to myself. And then by talking about it and revealing it, it adds a layer of accountability because there'd be no version of, let's go out for a couple of beers, you know, because once you

Teresa:

Right

Amorette:

to be like, what the fuck are you doing?

Teresa:

When you went back to Texas and started this cleanup did you have any support around you, friends or family that were cheering you on and helping you through those darker days of. Or was this strictly you did it all on your own?

Amorette:

I did it on my own. and when I moved. Andy, who, you know, is my partner. Really went into her world and And it was a new, relationship. We met first in 1992, so we'd known one another, but not really knew one another. She knew what was happening. She wasn't aware of the depths of it. She doesn't have an addiction problem. And she certainly hadn't been around a person at that stage of her life who had a wild drug problem. So, I was ashamed,

Teresa:

Right.

Amorette:

I have a hard time asking for help anyway. For me, it was the best path was just to, suffer through on my own. She would check on me and things like that. But it was definitely a solo journey.

Teresa:

That's amazing that you had that turnaround, right? Cause you had already tried rehab twice and the fact that you went once and then went back again and that didn't impact you enough to make the change and yet you were able to do it on your own is, is pretty amazing.

Amorette:

Yeah, something shifted inside of me and it really,

Teresa:

Yeah. Right.

Amorette:

do this or I'm going to die and going through withdrawal it was kind of 50 50 of which direction I want to go. It was like an inner voice and inner strength and each day would get better after a certain point I could, see what life may be on the other side. Once you're past a certain point, 24, 48, period of time it's like, well, God, I've really been through hell now. I can't start the clock over, you know, gone

Teresa:

Right.

Amorette:

So let's just keep going one foot in front of the other,

Teresa:

What was it like? The first 24 hours being off everything, what did your body go through?

Amorette:

It's like you've got an alien inside of your body screaming it's the horrific scenes that we've seen in movies is pretty much what it is. It's physical, it's emotional it's mental, and, really on top of that, it's spiritual. It's a very. Dark and scary place.

Teresa:

I bet.

Amorette:

There's no relief, That's the thing you eventually get there, I'd looked at doing, Suboxone programs and things like that. And I was like, okay, I know myself well enough, then I'm going to be addicted to Suboxone. And the reality is I don't want to be on anything. I don't want to be any med and I was on, percocet Oxycontin and on top of that other things that I'd been prescribed that I'd just gone down this, crazy path I really wanted to have a clean break and, I went through the fire to get there.

Teresa:

When you lose everything you've worked so hard for, your home in LA was absolutely gorgeous.

Amorette:

Yeah, looking back on, life I could have done things so much differently. But I think certain things had to happen. And I was a hard case, I guess, and so it wasn't like, you know, punched in the gut. It was like taking a jackhammer to my head was what was required to get through to me.

Teresa:

Right.

Amorette:

much as I regret not. Taking better care of the things I'd worked for and taking better care of myself of my relationships and such. I'm forever grateful,, if that's what it took and apparently it did, then that's what it took. And it's part of my journey. I have to think so much, ego and, things like that. But if, use in the wrong way, or, could be a dark force. And for me, it was. So I guess the abject humility of, no longer having kind of access I had to money and power, because they were just were just gone. So it's like, holy shit. Now, what do I do? But the first thing I, I knew that I had to do was have at least be clear minded to start setting a path forward of rebuilding. So it's like just being

Teresa:

Yeah,

Amorette:

stripped down.

Teresa:

We're strong people in general, you and I are both the type of person, and I've talked about this on other podcasts where it can be tough to ask for help. That in itself is admittance of, I don't have what it takes to get through this on my own. I need help. And that's really hard for us. We didn't have people stepping in and controlling what we did or what we didn't do and we had to make decisions on our own, at a very young age.

Amorette:

yeah.

Teresa:

I know how to get through it. Nobody's been here to help me. I can do this on my own. I don't need you. Thank you very much. The reality is it sure is nice when we've learned that lesson and have reached out for help and it makes such a huge difference when you have a support system. So given. Where you were when you made this courageous decision to change your life to where you are now, what's different,

Amorette:

I think the most radical change is that I've gotten to know, who I am. We talked a little bit about, using. Whatever substance to get out of yourself and to escape and to, almost creating a fantasy world and identifying is that certain person who really wasn't, the real me,

Teresa:

right?

Amorette:

It was like, I was play acting or something,

Teresa:

You were in your own movie,

Amorette:

exactly. I was in my own movie. And part of that, as you know, my mom died in December of 23. And, so much of, a person, and I know your mom has passed, for me

Teresa:

right?

Amorette:

dad's gone too, and I know your dad's gone. I think when, when you lose your parents and I know when I lost my mom, I felt incredible grief and my mom and I had

Teresa:

Yeah.

Amorette:

tight. We, we were kind of it was almost like a trauma bond from the time I was born.

Teresa:

Hmm.

Amorette:

and when she passed, it was incredibly sad and in grief and all of those things, but there was also a sense of relief. And when I say that, I don't mean a relief that she was gone or there wasn't the responsibility. It's that part of my identity or what I come to identify myself as. And some of it was real heavy stuff that I identified with,

Teresa:

Silence. Silence.

Amorette:

of our family dynamic or the black sheep of, or the one who took care of mom or the one who I. the secrets or of that stuff that was had been part of my birthright I also had some really positive stuff too. So I don't want to imply that it was, so horrific, but some of those negative things that had been part of my identity that I was carrying, no longer existed and. It was a real growth. We had her memorial in Houston in February of 24 and I. Got sober from alcohol well, from everything, but from alcohol in June of 24. It happened really quickly after my mom's passing.

Teresa:

Silence. Okay. You Yeah, you went through post traumatic growth,

Amorette:

Yeah,

Teresa:

you had Andy, she was new in your life. Did you to talk about Your experiences, your emotions, everything that you are going through,

Amorette:

Yes. I'm able to share and that kind of thing. But with her, what was different, is that she gave a good example, and led by example and the way that she leads her life, wildly honest. You know, honest with herself and honest outwardly. And, for me, I don't really have to pretend it doesn't have to be this huge drama. But I also don't have to pretend and, carry mask everything's okay, or the mask everything's so dark because, it was a blend for me, really helpful, and continues to be,, he's a strong person, personality who, calls me on my stuff, which I need,

Teresa:

She's a role model, she gives you a lot of nutrients, to your spirit and soul to help you. Grow as a person Now you've met somebody who's shown you that The decision you made to clean up was the right choice, but look at the life you can live without that stuff and thrive, right? You don't have to hide behind the drugs and the alcohol to get through life. You can actually spend some time talking to somebody and that in itself can be very therapeutic. Or maybe there's other things that you've discovered to help you in those moments of, ah, shit, today doesn't feel like a great day. How am I going to cope with it?

Amorette:

yeah, some of the things I've done, are not retreating and isolating, which I was a big one for me. And so being present, being super, try to be super mindful of being in the present, not living in the past, not getting so caught up in the future. And that feels very grounding to me. the place that we live, I mean, in Taos is its own, centered, energetic, healing place.

Teresa:

It's like a retreat, especially from LA, right?

Amorette:

Exactly. And thank God. I mean, it's so incredible to be here. Things turned around on my work fronts, so fast from really the moment I, put down in June. I would say within, months, it's done a 180 and so it was

Teresa:

Okay.

Amorette:

projects or, on the consulting side or what have you, being really present in each 1 of those. And that.

Teresa:

Bye bye.

Amorette:

to be fully immersed in that and I have to be busy. I just do and I have to be creative. Escaping and numbing yourself is the worst possible way that I should, my, my existence should be because if I'm numb.

Teresa:

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Amorette:

not, proactive and working in something. It's just way too much time. That my mind, even though I say I'm numb, it's not really, it's still operating, in a, unhealthy way, a million. miles an hour.

Teresa:

Are you able to be around, people, friends, family at dinners or social events where there's alcohol being served?

Amorette:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Andy drinks, she has a

Teresa:

Okay.

Amorette:

wine at night So there's wine in the house. That's not a trigger for me so much a triggers for me are emotional states I say, probably my biggest trigger is anger. Anger is a difficult emotion for me that I wanted to escape from but what's so interesting about this process is that it is a little bit chicken in the egg because when I'm not using I'm far less angry, you know, it's. Deal and so now if a situation comes up and I'm just extremely bothered, it doesn't have the same level of intensity. That it, had, while I was using,

Teresa:

And is that because you have a new way of coping? You said Andy's very transparent. She's very honest. Do you feel like you've adopted that as well and that's how you get through moments of anger,

Amorette:

I've learned to number 1, things don't escalate as quickly. And when I say it escalate, I mean, an internal escalation. I have adopted a better sense of. stepping away. The self kind of the self tape. Is this really such a big deal? I would say it's irritating and it doesn't have to be this all consuming thing. I think taking whatever it is, uh, break or a walk or I mean, some of these really fundamental things that we do know, count to 10 works great. Redirect, step away and let me put it in perspective. And I think what I've realized, I can be very hypersensitive and feel, impact. And it's like, okay, wait a second. I think you're tripping. I think that's really in your head. This is not something, I kind of got that ability to be like, why is this bothering me so much or what have you? I think it's a combination of being aware and like, Oh God, this is just a, me thing.

Teresa:

Knowing yourself really well to a point where I now know what this is. I need to take a break. And see this through, whatever that trigger or moment is, there's times where I might get absolutely stressed out about something and it's like, Oh, if I just have a drink, I'll feel better. Maybe you just step away. Maybe you lay down on the floor and put some calm. meditation music on. And it could be one minute of that. And all of a sudden you're in a very different state and you're like, holy shit, how come I never did this before? This works like magic.

Amorette:

now. Yeah It's true. It could just be two minutes and it's like, oh, I have a totally different perspective instead of just laying into that one and then just complicating it. It's like I was complicating so many things and I think part of it would be, a bit of an excuse, you know? So it's like, well, this happens. So this gives me permission to Those skills, which I'm honing and probably will be until the day I leave this planet. Getting to know who I am. And, also, trusting that person, is important.

Teresa:

Right.

Amorette:

of honoring that person, and trusting that person. and as I get to know, myself better, yes.

Teresa:

A lot's changed in your life, from when you were young. Life can be hard at times, but we get to create the enjoyment around us

Amorette:

absolutely. And hang on to every piece of joy that we have, it's like gold, And being really grateful for those moments and trying to stay in gratitude. I was never really an entitled person. I don't think I'm sure there were aspects. Everything had to be torn down for me. I was a difficult case, I guess, so everything's tripped away. It's amazing how grateful you are for small victories and other things that are perceived small, but are in fact, really big deals. And so it's just a different existence.

Teresa:

But as complicated of his case that you felt you were. Your story is so unique in terms of being able to do this alone, making the decision to turn it around because you realize that wasn't serving you. Not everybody makes it through the way that you did. It's really tremendous you were able to do that and you're on the other side.

Amorette:

Yeah,

Teresa:

It's really commendable. I've never heard a story where someone can do this on their own. You really were ready to make a change and the universe was there to support you and help you get through it,

Amorette:

absolutely. It was just driven internally. I had to do it. I really didn't have a choice. I mean, it was either do it or die. Really?

Teresa:

You didn't want to die. That was a big reason for you to say I'm not ready to go yet. I need to change this

Amorette:

Yes.

Teresa:

I'm, very proud of you friend

Amorette:

thank you.

Teresa:

You've really gone through something very tough. You and I've gone through cancer, we've gone through divorces. But I got to believe for you this trumped everything

Amorette:

for sure, it was the most difficult, of any of it,

Teresa:

Yeah. Mm hmm.

Amorette:

stuff, you know, so it was, without dealing with that, there was no getting a life. There was no, version of, remaining active and addiction in any of its forms, whether it was, opiates or, alcohol, there was just no, way, to fully participate in life and create

Teresa:

Right.

Amorette:

You know, thriving life,

Teresa:

Yep. As we wrap up to anybody listening who knows somebody, maybe they're, going through this themselves what advice would you give them?

Amorette:

There is a path forward. There is recovery. But you do have to be an active participant in that. However, you choose to, if you're questioning whether I'll just say from from the person who perhaps may be suffering from addiction, if you're already questioning that something's up, something's up, you know, I mean,

Teresa:

Right.

Amorette:

like something's up they say, getting the denial piece of it is in the acceptance of that you have a problem is the 1st step. It is the 1st step. It's the absolute 1st step. And then. I think then making active choices and whether that active choice is, you know, reaching out to someone, going to a meeting, with therapist, I mean, whatever form, I think it's not one size fits all, or whatever combination of things, that can help you, get out of it that the bottom line is my experience, there's there's no way of kind of using or kind of being in or 1 foot out 1 foot in. If you're struggling from a true addiction, there are no half measures, it

Teresa:

Right.

Amorette:

work that way. I think much of it is coming to terms with that and and.

Teresa:

Mm hmm.

Amorette:

there's just such an incredible difference I think that, overcoming and having a healthy, respect for an addiction that you've come out of, there is a sense of, beating something of, successfully moving through, a negative. Aspect of a person's life.

Teresa:

You're the perfect model for that. I'm incredibly proud of you for recognizing what was going on with yourself, taking action to make that change and more than anything. Sharing that story here for everybody to listen to because you don't. Get exposed to these stories where someone has conquered this on their own.

Amorette:

Yeah. Absolutely. And, for, someone who may have a friend or a loved one or whatever, who's struggling, I think

Teresa:

Um,

Amorette:

I, it's, I know difficult cause it's like, we're kind of trained to be polite and that kind of thing. Or fear of losing the friendship or offending someone or whatever. I think honesty, is absolutely the best way, whether it's, Hey, what's going on? Because I've noticed this. What's happening? I'm here to talk. How can I help you even if it's pushed away? But it does, in my opinion, resonate in that person's mind it's not about shaming. It's about an acknowledgement because, you know, trying to hide and shuffle things around or pretend like something's not happening when it's like, okay, oh, my, the house is burning down. Like, hello, you know, I think. helps crack that door. I think is helpful. And, what it also does is it preserves the sanctity of the other person, not the addicts, but the other person, because you're not saying I'm buying into your make believe lands. So it puts up some boundaries, and I think that's a necessity.

Teresa:

I've enjoyed everything that you've shared. I've learned a lot from the conversation that we've had. I'm sure many people listening have also, I appreciate the honesty. The courage to even come forward and share this and I know it'll make a change for somebody.

Amorette:

I hope there's, a positive impact, it's healthy for me too. It's speaking into something and revealing. Also, it's helpful in both ways.

Amarette's story is truly heroic. It's remarkable how she bravely decided to make this change in her life and for her ability to overcome such a profound addiction what really struck me was her emphasis on the importance of taking active steps towards recovery. She highlighted that there's no single magic. Bullet. It's about making choices, reaching out to a friend, a support group, a therapist, or it could be a combination of these approaches depending on what works best for the individual that's trying to overcome this addiction. As she wisely pointed out, recovery is a personalized journey and it's up to us To make those choices. Thanks for tuning in until next time.

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Teresa Baglietto

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